Friday, October 2, 2009


After reading the two articles about Jack Baurer’s character played by Kiefer Sautherland, I was not able to get over that fact that America would stoop so low as to even use torture as a method of punishment. I still remember the day as clear as yesterday when President Bush had announced the use of extreme interrogation methods were going to take place in the prison location of Guantanamo Bay. At fist just like any American at the time I felt as though this was a method that would be used to send a message to those who had intentions of harming U.S. citizens. But if we were to use these types of methods on a more long term bases the consequences may turn right around and bite us in the rear. First of all the show of 24 is not a built on real life events that had already occurred and are replayed for viewing purposes. Second we have to remember the show is fiction, and two take examples of the use of torture from a temporary television drama would make the country of America look like absolute morons in the end. Second the use of torture is not a morally just way of handling prison from other countries. It has been said that the use of torture was used on prisoners of Guantanamo Bay even if they were not guilty of terrorist act themselves.
Shortly After President Obama had stepped into Presidency he announced that the use of torture was an unjust and unmoral way dealing with prisoners associated with terrorism. A comedy by the name of “Harold A Kumard: Escape from Guantanamo Bay”, poked fun at the torture techniques used to deal with detainee of terrorism, but I reality this is not laughing matter. Many prisoners have already been released from Guantanamo Bay and are currently back in Afghanistan, plotting more effective and devastating attacks on our country. Was it a mistake to let these potentially lethal men go back to the country were we currently struggle to enforce efforts of peace. It may be , but the bottom line is why did we even enforce this policy to begin with if we didn’t think about the long term effects of these actions in the first place. It may be true that some of these torture methods were used and in fact saved many lives by exposing a potential plot to blow up a mall located in Ohio near Columbus, and many other potentially threatening terrorist plans. But, the use of homeland intelligence and the CIA agencies across the U.S. is another option that has to be upgraded and more heavily present during this day and age, which may take a way a little privacy, but may protect our country from major devastation. We can not rely on fictional television that exposes extreme violence and immorality towards one or many people to save others, besides we need to start trying to clean our image and start setting good examples for other countries in the world by using brains over brutality.

2 comments:

  1. Ray,

    You have really hit on a lot of my problems with torture. However, you really put a big hole in my conviction that no torture is appropriate - no how, no way.

    You see, my daughter worked at Polaris Mall, the shopping mall you mentioned in your blog, when the terrorist plot was uncovered. She was managing a children’s clothing store at the time, and her shop happened to be right in the middle of that large mall. For some reason, it never occurred to me (then or until I read your blog) that someone might have been tortured in order to stop the bombing.
    I can’t tell you when I started questioning the ethics and behavior of our government, but it has been a while now. Directly after 9/11, I was in with everyone else, and thought the entire Middle East should be blown away. However, after a couple of days, I started thinking about it rationally, and realized that violence begets violence, and that war or attacking terrorists randomly would never work. This is a different situation, and it called for a new way of thinking. Regrettably, that is not what happened. However, I truly can say that I never have approved of torture, and (perhaps mistakenly) thought that the Geneva Convention protected our troops and our enemies from this behavior. Silly me…
    So, back to the mall bombing. Your blog forced me to think about torture to save a loved one. Even in class on Saturday, I avoided the issue by thinking that the question is not a realistic one. How many times do you have to choose between torturing someone and saving a loved one? But, you reminded me that perhaps it’s not as far-fetched as I thought it was. It could have been my beloved daughter that was saved by a Jack Bauer wanna-be.
    So, how do I feel about torture? About the same, but with the knowledge that torture may not be so far away as I thought…

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  2. Ray,

    I totally agree with the points you brought up in your blog post. Particularly when you said, "But if we were to use these types of methods on a more long term bases the consequences may turn right around and bite us in the rear." That is a point that I feel has been missing from a lot of critical thought on torture that we've read in class or that I've found on my own. A lot of people discuss torture as a means to an end result (finding out sensitive information), but it obviously goes far past that. It seems that a common hypothetical is; Terrorist hatches random destructive plan, U.S. uses torture as a method to thwart said plan, day is saved. I think it's important to consider that this could be considered a type of propaganda in order to convince the general public that there are no consequences from utilizing torture. The typical episode of 24 reinforces this. Within a fourty-some minute time frame, Jack Bauer becomes aware of an evil scheme, prevents it (usually) and the episode ends with most of the main characters intact (usually). While I understand that 24 has touched on the consequences of torture as a technique, I don't think it is considered often enough. In the real world, danger is not conveniantly abated by the prevention of one particular plot -- everyone immediately involved is not able to go about their normal lives after the "fourty-minute time frame" and this is a serious problem which is inseperable from torture overall.

    It's similar to cliche action movies when the hero kills the bad guy and everything is okay as the credits roll. Torture is coming dangerously close to being seen as the solve-all that killing has been for so long.

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